I call upon You, Lord, God of Abraham and God of Isaac and God of Jacob and Israel, You who are the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, the God who, through the abundance of your mercy, was well-pleased towards us so that we may know You, who made heaven and earth, who rules over all, You who are the one and the true God, above whom there is no other God; You who, by our Lord Jesus Christ gave us the gift of the Holy Spirit, give to every one who reads this writing to know You, that You alone are God, to be strengthened in You, and to avoid every heretical and godless and impious teaching.

St Irenaeus of Lyons, Against the Heresies 3:6:4

Tuesday, November 24, 2009

Rallying with a Relativist

“It’s wrong to impose your morals on others!”

Uh…pardon me, but when you tell me it’s wrong to do something, aren’t you imposing your morals on me?

“There are no absolutes.”

That in itself is an absolute statement.

“No one’s moral opinion is valid because we all speak from how we’ve been indoctrinated.”

Well, I guess that would apply to you as well, which means what you’ve just said isn’t valid either.

“Everyone should be able to believe whatever they want!”

Then why are you arguing with me?

“Life is meaningless!”

Would you consider that a meaningful statement?

“You can’t know anything for sure.”

You seem rather sure about that.

“Students, no view of reality is superior to any other.”

Then why are you grading our papers?

“You have no right to say truth is external! We all create our own reality!”

Then I’m your fault.

“Oh, here we go again, another right-wing fundamentalist making bold assertions of fact!”

Pardon me, but didn’t you just make a bold assertion of fact?

“There is no right; there is no wrong.”

Is that statement right or wrong?

“You can’t tell anybody they’re wrong.”

Am I wrong in doing so?

From Frank Peretti’s The Wounded Spirit, (Nashville, TN: Word Publishing, 2000) pp. 117-118


  1. I hadn't seen that before. It very clearly illustrates the futility of relativism. Thanks for posting it!

  2. Israel is a big fan of Peretti and Fanny enjoyed The Wounded Spirit. Peretti never tires heckling relativism in his books, which is great for the generation now reading them. It’s paradoxical: one has trouble understanding how so many could get snookered by such a ridiculous doctrine; it’s transparently inconsistent and self-refuting. On the other hand, the self-refuting nature of moral and epistemological relativism is perfectly and logically consistent with the self-refuting nature of autonomous reason. It’s consistently inconsistent!